Youre seeing a therapist, and making strides, youre clearly doing exercise and stuff. LW, Im so sorry youre dealing with this. Its always so much easier to see things from an objective perspective when one is looking in from the outside. Dating you is a privilege you get to grant people, not a burden someone is doing you the favour of shouldering. Jedi hugs, if you want them. Why do I get the feeling sometimes that an LW to Captain Awkward is actually just asking for permission to dump their partner? Unfortunately, who he is now does XYZ, and is unlikely to stop, so theyre both unhappy. Hell either stop talking, or hell go into a bluster-storm of What did you just say? For example, they might mad that you didnt fold the laundry when you said you would, or frustrated at coming home to find you in bed asleep with your clean, untouched gym clothes on the bed, when you said you were going to work out. When I struggle with depression, I am fighting back against the numbness that settles over my body and mind standing up for yourself and your own care is such a wonderful and inspiring thing, wishing you all the best! In high school, I was shy, introverted, and had low self confidence and poor social skills due to a history of being bullied in junior high and middle grade. I am going to assume that dude loves you and just wants to help you get better because he knows you want to get better.. It sounds terrible. Hopefully asking questions like this would help suss that out. hes in love with himself as he sees himself manifest through you. WELL I WONDER WHAT YOU WOULD DO AFTER 20 YEARS MARRIED TO SOMEONE YOUD PROBABLY JUST BLITHELY DUMP HIM THEN TOO. The situation seems chock full of red flags to me. Theres a difference. Or is his logic/reason for believing this just that it makes sense in his head and should therefore make sense in the real world? This has gotten him in trouble a few times. . My therapist suggested that I start taking more autonomy over my choices around this, and to stop looking to you for input about every little thing. I love it, he doesnt. I can tilt my head to one side and see a boyfriend that this LW needs to dump *yesterday* because all hes doing is trying to build his ideal partner out of what he believes is some kind of nascent state that can go in any direction, like a bunch of stem cells. My boyfriend wants to go all the way but I'm scared it will hurt. Im not sure if its changing who he is so much as finding out whether hes oblivious and well-meaning or a giant tool. The way to find out is to give him the information that would stop him being oblivious as clearly as possible if he changes his actions he may have been decent all along, if he doesnt then hes conclusively demonstrated jerkitude. So, stop trying to control theirs and focus on what you can controlyour own behavior and responses. Emotions are *who we are* and theres no such thing as a feeling or desire that is incorrect or illegitimate. Do you want my help with remembering to do X? The closest he comes is But that doesnt make sense! Which, you will notice, does not contain the word you. A person who is engaged in actual logicking is thinking about statements, not persons, nor how much better they are than you. Feeling frustrated with behaviors that contribute to a bad situation? When men care about a woman, they want to look good and impress her. After it was removed, it was discovered ability to experience emotions was also gone due to damage from the tumor and the surgery. Point out to your boyfriend that he's not her savior and doesn't need to ride to her rescue. Third, I think some disaster preparedness is good self-care for you. you can do it! the whole time. No-one can pressure him into anything nor does he pressure anyone else. Theres a lot of power in taking full ownership of the decision to take more autonomy over your choices. And all those cultural messages about Kids These Days Giving Up and In Our Day We Didnt Divorce, and Thats What For Better And For Worse Means make it really, REALLY hard to believe that this relationship is making me stressed and unhappy is, in actual fact, a perfectly reasonable cause for exiting a relationship. A person who fundamentally likes and respects you is going to hear them and back way off. It can help to be accountable, and say to someone else hey, Im having trouble doing this Thing, so can you help me by setting a time to do Thing together?, but only if this is a need *you* have identified, and its *your* solution that youre asking to put in place. Oddly enough, moving from a high-stress environment full of people trying to manipulate and fix me, and having a constant build up of pressure from JerkBrain on a loop of You promised you wouldnt, you cant let them down theyll be angry to a place where I was told Im aad that people bullied and shamed you, you have complete control of your own body and mind, and there is nothing to be ashamed of pretty much stopped it overnight. Especially when someone you love isnt ready or isnt currently up to taking steps for their own well-being. Trouble sleeping. Anonymous: Anonymous wrote:Asexual people are asexual- they don't want sex even when the relationship is new and exciting. Affection is not only limited to physical touch -- he may also avoid showing affection through words. I have been dating my boyfriend for 2 years and living together for 1. When i try to move the battery lock switch thing it doesn`t move and it`s like stuck. Friend, I miss you and Id love to see your face. They do sound like exactly what Id say, though, if I were the type to try and manipulate my partner into getting thinner and doing all the housework. It can be hard to wait through the change. It sounds like you live together, and that breaking up isnt a logistically or financially simple matter as well as being emotionally scary and taxing. Thats such an underhand control technique, as is the not-so-subtle belittling that happens in the guise of help.. Sometimes its not that he doesnt want to make an effort, but rather that his life is just too busy and chaotic right now. When he talks to me like that, it starts to cancel out all my confidence. Part of why its so difficult to break up with someone without a Huge Serious Reason is that without one, theres no defined point at which you MUST do it. Even after I told him I wasnt interested in doing that, hed bring it up ad naseum. . Cant think of a more clear way to phrase it. Thats right, mind your own business.* Asking how it affects him could give him an opener for a feelingsdump, and I wouldnt want LW put in the position of feeling like she has to manage his feelings about what she does with her own body. It Does. Id still be loved (and unhassled!!) I had the same thing with the hubs about soup (soup!) The first impression is good and you two exchange numbers. You are the person who knows whats best for you. . Walking is much better for me, sure it isnt strenuous (seriously, WTF????) I live on the other side of this equation. Ikind of feel like a great, positive life change that will help combat depression is getting this dude the hell away from where you are, OP. Applauding your friends and remembering this one for future use. Whenever hes away, I tend to either eat that or GF pizza (pizza is another of those things) in fact, I might go out and get myself GF pizza for dinner tonight. You know who I turn that on? But its still a good idea to evaluate your relationship and whether your Dude is amenable to changing his behaviour when youve expressed a desire for him to Quit Doing That Thing, and what that might mean about how much he respects you. He then said that he was only trying to make her into a better person. Do you want to be like my mum, self esteem completely destroyed, fleeing an abusive 30 year relationship from someone who always thought you were not good enough? You cant have all your food be treats otherwise youre not actually eating healthy food, but they are needed or you burn out and develop an eating disorder. Dear LW, *I do not recommend you use this tone, Im just naturally combative and I hate being told what to do. These are pretty direct statements. The problem is that if you cannot afford to pay it yourself the vehicle will eventually be repossessed so it is just a matter . And how can we fix it? No give me your logical reasons why this is a thing that is hurtful, no I dont think youre actually hurt about this, I think its this other thing. Theres nothing logical or reasonable about badgering your partner or dismissing their feelings. And if he wont respect boundaries, keeps behaving like this? Another pertinent question: How does BF react to advice given by LW? Probably better to stop and say why am I angry about this?. The important element? But when he starts talking about how hes going to end it they cant help but treat you differently. I was overwhelmed with adoration and new hope. My therapist and I called this Shoulding all over me. Flags! 5. If he does answer, sometimes it takes a while unlike before where there were never more than two rings on the line before he picked up now it can take five or six rings! You are strong and brave to decide that you need to draw boundaries. Be honest about how you feel. Sorry, it posted before I was done. Get him to chase you instead." That is good friendly advice but there's a little more to it than that. He used to love calling you his girlfriend, he never missed an opportunity to flaunt you off as if everyone was supposed to know that this time its serious. Low self-esteem. That was published just a few weeks after I dumped my ex for basically being both of those LWs SOs. Piggybacking on this, just in case LWs partner is well-meaning-but-clumsy-at-expressing-his-desire-to-help and not maliciously-undermining-LW: I wonder if it would be possible, and if he were open to it, to do a few joint sessions with LWs therapist so the therapist can be a neutral party for them to air their viewpoints to and help them strategize better ways of interacting over these issues. I dont think all relationships that arent in it for better or for worse and in sickness or in health are bad, but I do think that makes it a more casual relationship and one you shouldnt rely on. Some aspects of this sound very similar to my ex. When the passion is gone in a relationship it means the good stuff thats supposed to fuel you through the bad stuff is no longer there, meaning, theres simply no point in pretending I care if the girl has wacky opinions about something. Just wanted to clarify that, unlike LWs boyfriend, I never tried to help my ex. I was in a controlling relationship (where I had recurrent depression) and it took being away from my partner for 3 months (he left the country to visit family) to feel the intense relief and lift of stress and realize that the main problem was actually him. If I wanted to feel uncomfortable in a relationship, I would cover everything with thumbtacks with the sharp points out. And its also vanishingly unlikely that he can be moved out of the fixer mode. ! certainly did not help with my mood issues. I should have left him at various points throughout the relationship but I just didnt see how bad it was until I had the vantage of hindsight. Im struggling to find good ways to respond to my boyfriend when he tells me what I should or need to be doing. he said, thats great! So I dont get to do this as well as I used to when husband is away. So LW: dump your boyfriend, or dont dump your boyfriend. I think thats a great suggestion. In the latter casetry the scripts here for some firmer words of quit that already, mention that you *have* a therapist and this is their *job* and his job now is to be a listening ear and a source of happiness and relaxation, and if he still refuses to comply, dump him. But when you the helper decide on your own that (1) theres a problem and/or (2) you have to be the one to fix it, youre wading into dangerous waters. They are raw cookie dough and you can see the cookie and you want the cookie, but the cookie dough is just not done enough, but you really want that cookie so much and you know how much better it would be if it were finished baking.and so you are mad that they arent doing what it takes to be a cookie. Has the boyfriend pulled out stories of other people who have similar problems and yet manage to be super-awesome-amazing-overachievers? . It is about him. When my sister who is also my best friend has something shes trying to do, like not eat badly, or do X activity for two weeks, I ask her ahead of time before she starts what if anything she wants me to do. Cant remember him ever doing this either. He seems quieter than usual Your conversations are brief, and he doesn't appear to be as interested in your life anymore. He just got bored, moved country and started again without divorcing. Living in constant stress, even if its a stress youve chosen yourself in the name of self-improvement, isnt good for you. That's the last thing you should do. I need you to scrub the toilet is reasonable you need to do more vigorous exercise isnt. And who makes that clear to you. So I get what it feels like to see your partner unhappy and struggling. Your efforts to change your partner's contrary viewpoints (financial, political, religious, or otherwise) have begun to feel demeaning or disrespectful to them, as betraying not only your. Essentially, he supported me equally on good days and bad days. I dont know if that makes sense? Comfort from a relationship is something you are allowed to want. He means well is one of those phrases that is just full of NOPE. As the Captain and some of the Army have said, sometimes people need a bit of time to reset themselves mentally from caretaker, and weird things can stand in for anxiety about another person. There are people out there who will see you for how bright and funny and reasonable and cool you are. I hope you get out much faster than I was able to. Hindsight, sigh. I expect him to monitor his health and to take as much action as he can when hes feeling bad, just as LW is doing. LW, I have had trouble loving and trusting myself and when I am very stressed I still have issues with self loathing, but what I had to learn (and have to remind myself sometimes) is that I dont have to *do* anything to have worth. Emotional detachment. He felt justified in hurting my feelings as long as it was based in reason.. All good things. When I have the house to myself for a few days, I like to use some of the time for cooking experiments. Something stuck out to me in your letter, you said your boyfriend thinks that if you do your healthy self improvement things then he wont have to deal with you having depression. Or maybe your boyfriend hasnt really been invested from the beginning and what seemed like an effort on his part was simply because he felt obliged to try since you gave him such strong signals early on. He graciously said that hed wait for me to get better, which somehow included losing weight, even though I never said anything about that, but continued to be, well, him, which was a self centered twit who wanted a wife, and not actually *me*. Because Reasons? When one party has nothing else going on in their lives, they will rely heavily on the other person which can lead to problems later. Thats their job, not yours., I once dated a guy who was really, really into strength training. So even when your partner needs you all the time, you get to take time and space for yourself. Emotions *exist* and have a massive effect on our wellbeing, emotions dont just disappear if you have assessed them and decided that logically you should not be feeling that way (at least mine sure dont! Seriously. OopsI didnt see your reply to my first post when I posted this one. Not. Absolutely. I think you can tell dude that the things he is doing are not helping and that your therapist agrees with you (assuming therapist does and I think therapist is your number one go to about this) and also give him things he *can* do to help you when you are feeling down. He is not the boss of you, and something in you has woken up to that. I have many fond memories of him. Not that I care much about LWs BF, but she does. It is possible that he can be moved out of the fixer mode, but, if he stays in fixer mode then nothing will ever be enough. I mention all of this because I remember thinking to myself a lot, during that time, Eh, this is fine. As a friend once wisely told me, theres a difference between helping each other grow and one person pointing out your flaws in detail after knowing you so intimately with the excuse that its supposed to help. And whats wrong with your alphabet, here, let me prioritize those letters for you. And they dont need to be The Worst for you to decide you dont want to be in this relationship anymore. Eating is a big thing for me and something I skip doing when my brain gets jerky. And yes, those cultural messages are a large part of the reason I still often feel like I am a failure because my (emotionally abusive) ex dumped me and I now have to mark Divorced every damn year when I do my taxes. If you are an academic assigning my posts in your courses, Id appreciate an email with a copy of the relevant syllabus/assignment for my records/CV. As the Captain said, he likes potential you. Rest days are a vital part of an exercise routine. So in order to save your relationship, you need to find out what is going on and take corrective action if necessary. Which did he pick, if you dont mind the question? I have to consciously remind myself sometimes that feelings are allowed because I would like life better if I could reason them away, or at the very least put them in a box labeled This feeling serves X purpose. But this very desire means I know how nonsensical my own brain can be when it comes to why I feel what I feel, so I cant fathom trying to turn that analysis onto someone else as if I know how to solve someone elses feelingsbraincomplex. Im so angry that you have cancer; its unfair and I hate to see you suffering. Reasonable. i suffer from anxiety, have self esteem issues and insecuriti. Keep an anger journal to track your feelings, triggers, and management efforts. He asked why I was doing that and I said: Im afraid youll feel not depressed and Ill miss it! He startled me by laughing and assured me that when he wasnt feeling depressed that Id know it. This is a guy who hasnt figured out that the people you love arent improvement projects. You can also use the online chat. Don't waste your time on someone who doesn't want to match your effort. One of the surest ways to find out why he stopped putting in the work is by asking him. Even if you end up staying, youll be on much better footing if you know youre not bound there by circumstance. I agree with all of the above regarding logic. renovate the bathrooms, start an advice columnit doesnt have to be terrible. And I have never regretted that decision even once. Absolutely. My thoughts are with you, LW! Men who are attracted to you will not refuse sex from you on a very regular basis. (ALSO he sounds like the sneering voice of trying to stop CSP behaviours once youre in the zone with them.) What can I do for them?, Im sad because the person I love is being sad at me, and it would be so much easier if they were happy. If he really has your best interests at heart, both of you will benefit; if not, you at least will have the benefit of setting those boundaries. It sounds as though its not simply a case of dump him, because that can be hard, especially when youre trying to sustain a healing process. To the point where I didnt want to go out because I couldnt take another lecture on how horrible I was. Your dreams for the future have taken a back seat. Now, if he didnt react well to that, I might change it, but he says it is good to hear. Being badgered about food choices and exercise choices isnt going to help the LW build good habits. NO. managed to pollute both the minds and the bodies of the American people, but he meant well. He wasnt quite as patronizing, but he did have a tendency to give me the same advice over and over. 18 Sure Signs He Will Marry You Someday: Cues to Decode His Intention, What Makes a Man Want to Marry You: These 7 Things. That looks like progress to me. But for LW, I think that goes back to another commenters suggested script of, How does this [exercise/ food choice/ personal health issue] affect [Boyfriend]? in thatit doesnt affect the boyfriend. 2) Even if being prompted to do things like eat better food, exercise to work off stress etc was beneficial to you..its still wrong and bad to do it without an agreement, ESPECIALLY when the promptee has explicitly asked the other person to not do it. That person is more invested in control and in being right than in respecting you. If it does happen though, most times he will cancel on short notice because something came up at work so he couldnt get out of it. That person is going to be psyched by evidence that you are capable and willing to chart your own course, and think, Hey, my partner must be feeling better, since they have their shit under control. I wholeheartedly agree. Your boyfriend has not yet learned this truth, because he is hiding it. Not okay. NOTHING YOU DO IS GOOD ENOUGH! What the fuck? I can't believe it. Make it clear to your boyfriend that you don't like it when he talks to her. Im rooting for you, LW, because this was one of the toughest ongoing issues in our relationship for a while, and I had to show him that what works as treatment for some people cant be applied to everyone broadly and without that persons permission. nuanced (especially when exercise is not the only project Im undertaking at the moment.) Despite that, I managed to meet a kindred spirit. He got that. It sings a familiar refrain, and it so neatly echoes what your Jerkbrain sounds like or sounded like before you started getting treatment for your depression. No one wants to treat someone they love that way, it just slips out when you stop viewing them in that light. Ive seen this shaming from the peanut gallery even in dating relationships. He agreed it might help, and I immediately went out and got them and it did help. Maybe Im coming off as too harsh, and if I am I apologize. You said you would put away the dishes, and you didnt is a specific observation. It sounds to me as if you have some clarity on what would be helpful to you. Is it because youve neglected a task you said youd do? Think hard and make plans. I feel bad about the situation, but deep down, Im also wondering if I have a chance to be her rebound. Ok its possible I need a fix of both Buffy and chocolate chip cookies. Good luck on your journey, LW! How does this affect you? It makes me feel bad when you dont eat your vegetables because I caaaaaaaaaaare about you.. Setting limits is an excellent skill to acquire. I liked the suggestion made upthread to use the BF for practicing your new boundary-setting skills on. Dont sit around waiting for his call or text message because it could go on all day without either of you saying anything at all to each other just texts back and forth that dont really say much if hes not initiating the conversation himself. But even if it comes from good intentions to fix you, its ableist and hurtful and the opposite of helpful. Youve been through a lot, and you have been so strong and come so far and you have a wonderful partner who wants to help you and knows whats best for you. Controlling me became an end in its own right, because it flattered his ego. In graduate school, there were entire weeks where all I ate was a huge wheel of frosted sugar cookies. What your boyfriend is doing -whether he means to or not is *exactly* the issue that you are going to therapy to deal with. It can be hard to stop caring, even when someone has done nothing but bring you down. Take care of yourself. Its ok to say hey, just keeping my head above water is all Im capable of at the moment, no challenges for me right now.. This is totally fine when your relationship is great. Try to find something low key that has a predictable, repeatable structure so you see some of the same people every time and can form connections naturally over time. The people who appoint themselves my life coach have always happened to be women, personally). These are some questions many women ask themselves when they find themselves in this situation. When in reality there was an awful lot of family abandoning and not marrying your pregnant girlfriend going on in the past as well. Neither he or my Dad told me about their doubts until I was well established and was making money, by which time their initial suspicions were funny stories, not immensely damaging and potentially hindering my progress. Its also a thing that gets easier once youve done it. Or, if you can handle it, let them know that you think your friendship has run its course because you are at two different points in life. Why dont we call it quits, then, and see if somebody else might not make you happier?. Pick one.. But it will definitely *not* help if Im already in a funk, other than possibly giving me an excuse to go outside and do something vaguely useful-feeling. This isnt sustainable. And when he lost a bunch of weight as a side effect of a new medication, suddenly all of his insecurities about it were transferred to passive-aggressively fatshaming me. You know everything he said is true. Jealousy is a range some people rarely get jealous and some people are constantly jealous (which, in general, is never a good thing). Boyfriend stopped texting me good morning. 1. I appreciate that you care about me, but Im good, so lets change the topic.. And I think the reason for that might be that he doesnt understand depression AT ALL. Bottom line is the conversation . Either he doesnt realize how much of a Ricardo Cabeza hes being and will totally back off when you state your boundaries, or hell double down and youll know that hed much rather be a Helper and Fixer than actually love you for you right now. LW: I feel you so much in this. We spent an hour together crafting a long list of things he could do for me, with me. "Boyfriend when i first met him was sweet and full of potential. Tell him the reasons why so he can understand. LW that may sound really harsh about your boyfriend, but from where Im sitting it sounds like a very toxic place for you to be. Without the receptive, captive audience, it isnt nearly as much fun for him. It seems like work to go on about our day and converse about minutiae, but well do it because girls like that stuff. You are worth loving for who you are, and you are worth loving the way you want to be loved. Ive been gone for a week, and Im not going to believe you if you tell me you ate healthy isnt about keeping score at all. A few weeks ago I started to notice that, well, he kind of smelled bad. And when he realized that I wasnt counting walking as exercising but really enjoyed it, he encouraged me to think of walking as exercise, brainstormed ways WITH ME to fit it into my day more, offered to walk with me, and asked me if I wanted a pedometer (note: he did not just buy me one), 4) when I felt like I couldnt do anything but lay on the couch and rewatch TV shows Id already seen, he sat next to me and read, or watched his own shows with headphones in and just quietly let me know he was there WITHOUT JUDGEMENT. He can just take you and chisel at you until he gets the enthusiastic, bubbly, thin dream-partner he wants out of what he sees to be a depressive heap. 2010 The Thought & Expression Company, LLC. Feelings of shame and guilt. There doesnt have to be any malice or entitlement in it. Maybe he thinks he wants you better, so acts in ways that can be seen as toward that goal, but is afraid of you being better, because then he would have no grounds to act superior to you. Is Your Anxiety Sabotaging Your Relationship? One of our deepest needs as humans is to feel understood, and true understanding is not possible without empathy. When I said, I would find recognition for the progress I am making much more helpful than notes on what I could do better, he initially balked. He no longer asks you about what happened during the day, if you had plans with friends or family, or anything of the sort. theres a bigamist in my family tree too- except he faked his own death. Even if improvement is made, it wont be enough to him, and he can still be in charge. Dear Carolyn: Although we've had sex before, my boyfriend of two years has zero interest in sex with me or anyone else. 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